the charges to the jury, he started out into the dry tax case, and you are absolutely right, this is a paper and document case. but legal experts say it is an overwhelming case and paul manafort faces long odds here, and some of the sort of the unspoken craw ma is that while he is wearing a black suit today and seated -- unspoken drama is that he is going to be wearing a black suit today, he is going to be sleeping in a green jumpsuit in prison, because he is facing 10 years under the guidelines and not the maximum and another trial in d.c. to face 15 year, and so strong consequences for paul manafort, katy. >> and why are the prosecution and the defense said to be avoiding the name donald trump and why not bringing up russia in the context of the mueller investigation? >> well, one of the rules of evidence says that if something is more prejudicial than probative, it should be excluded from the trial, because it could be a distraction from the members of the jury.