>> they say they want to investigate this and yet everything is behind closed doors and all we get is spin from two sides. >> you're right. i was just trying to be a little sarcastic there. i appreciate your point. rick, i want you to watch giuliani claiming that cohen doctored at least one of the recordings. take a listen to this. >> now i've listened, unfortunately, to mshany, many hours of tapes. and the man is a pathological manipulator, liar. i didn't know that. i didn't know him well. he's capable, i think, unfortunately of doctoring tapes. he hasn't done that, hard to do it now since we have an expert all over it. >> rick, i know that you worked on two of jew lagiuliani's camp. what is your reaction there? what is the strategy that you think he's going after? >> i think it's important to remember the rudy you're seeing is a performing rudy. he is playing the role of the junk yard dog attorney deaverfeg