the second thing is, it would obviously pose real legal problems for donald trump jr. who went to congress and said under penalty of perjury he never told his father about that meeting. if that turns out not to be true, it's punishable by up to five years in jail. you showed in the clips earlier, the people who work for the president, the president's lawyers all lied about this publicly. while lying publicly, lying to the press is not a crime, it can be powerful evidence of a cover up. if you are going to -- if bob mueller at the end of this is going to conclude that donald trump is trying to obstruct justice by ending the investigation, by covering up what happened, it will be both his actions privately in asking law enforcement officials to back off and his actions publicly in trying to cover up what happened that for the heart of that conspiracy allegation. >> congressman, let me ask you to pick up that thread and let me read you a footnote from the democratic house intel committee report. you guys write that, while the committee has not pursued leads to determine who called donald