happened. it's possible the president knew and it's possible michael cohen knew that he knew. no one, just based on what we already know, no one says word one as they watch the russians interfere over and over in the election, having been told in an e-mail the russian government wants your dad to win. >> yeah, that's right. you know, natasha talked about looking at not just one event but the entire mosaic. i think to understand this meeting, you have to pull back the lens and look at a few more tiles. you have to pull back and remember they were told, george papadopoulos was told in april two months before this meeting that the russians had obtained hillary clinton's e-mails. so i suspect when don junior gets that e-mail and probably calls his father and maybe has a meeting with his father, they go into that meeting suspecting they're going to get hillary clinton's e-mails. they don't get it in their meeting but still think it's coming. which is why a month later in july you see donald trump standing at the podium publicly asking the russians to do what they didn't deliver in that meeting they had privately. >> thank you, that was great.