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this meeting, it means he was told that russia wanted to help him secretly. and here he is now publicly communicating with russia say, hey, this is how i want you to help. i mean, collusion, conspiracy, obstruction, coverup, all these narratives which intertwine are bolstered by michael cohen's account if true. >> and so jennifer when david lays it out like that, it's chilling because the more benign earlier interpretations that were available were lower-level people did this, or everyone's an idiot, and they didn't really understand all the meetings they were going to. by the way, idiot defenses can work in the law. it's not a crime to be stupid and go to the wrong meeting. what david lays out when you put these pieces together, according to cohen's theory of the case. we always can report there will be denials, there will be other perspectives. but according to cohen's theory of the case, you're adding testimonial evidence that suggests, no, they weren't idiots. at a very high level they had a

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