notwithstanding. >> you hear them say that in the interviews. if he only had the information we had he would make a differec. >> can i just jump in? digging into the bureaucratic headaches about administrating some of these tariffs. looked at steel. 16,000 applications have been made already. 16,000, by american businesses for exemptions. just think about that paperwork. and so far they only got around looking at 500 of those. think about what the bureaucrats have to deal with to actually get through all of this stuff. then think about what it's going to mean to try to administer payouts to farmers, and for the uncertainty for american companies, it's huge. the steel sector. we talked to a company, down in south carolina. it says its application for specialized wire for wind screen wipers have been accepted. steel plates for repairing broken bones rejected. why? think about the practicalities