again, 95% of people who are prosecuted plead guilty. why isn't this guy? >> we should also say federal prosecutors the cases they do bring to trial they have tend to have a good record on those. the whole system is set up to get convictions and that tends to be the case. >> that's@prosecutor puts all the evidence together in the first place. they actually are able to put together an indictment that is as foolproof as you can possibly make it and this one is for thely foolproof. they even anticipated the defenses. the old i got it from the lawyer trick. well, he lied to the lawyers. and oh, i got it from the accountsants. but he lied to the accountants according to the indictment. so every potential defense he has is blocked out by this indictment. >> it's remarkable when you consider the fact this guy was the campaign manager of the sitting president of the united states. he's in court today in a prison issued jumpsuit-s going to be standing on trial for bank fraud and lord knows what else might be coming down the pike in just a week. >> lord knows what else because one of the issues that the judge