liability, that's what's mattering. >> all right. well, it keeps going and it keeps going. for the record, michael cohen and i did not discuss the tapes. in fact, they came out about an hour or so after our breakfast, but thank you nbc's danny cevallos. now back to the very interesting week to say the least. we had with our russian counterpart, foes, enemies, joining me now peter emerson who worked or the three democratic administrations and jen kerns a former spokeswoman for the california republican party. jen, let me go to you first. the president goes, stands shoulder to shoulder with vladimir putin, says that he has no reason to believe that russia interfered with the united states elections in 2016.