everything you just heard, what is the legal significance? >> well, in terms of the law the campaign violations are an obvious one. but in terms of the strength of the evidence to show that, i thought the times story just before the quote that you had was significant because it shows knowledge of both men, cohen and trump, of what ami is doing with playmate mcdougal. he says, should we buy her story directly or should we buy it from ami? and then the question is should we pay in the check or should we do it by cash, and he's encouraging cohen. trump is encouraging cohen to do it by check, which strikes me as bizarre. and you have to wonder if this was also a pattern to reimburse ami for what they'd already done. >> you're talking about the national inquirer parent company and about whether there was an illicit plot to misuse or abuse