hurdles as negotiators to talk to them. let's just take care of what we're dealing with right now. these people around you have helped you, they're not your family, they have helped you, let's not get them hurt. you can be strong, you can deal with this, let's get this settled today. and they'll be working on it slowly to do that. >> i'm inclient to wonder even as that conversation is happening. even as the negotiation is going on. i would imagine there are plans b and c and d being put into place if this starts to fall apart. >> oh, no, absolutely. the tactical side is always ready. this is no different really than a nation dealing with another nation. there are diplomats from the state department and the war fighters from the military. and that's the same thing here. >> jim cavanaugh. >> the negotiators and the war fighters in the s.w.a.t. >> thank you, jim. we're going to take a quick break here. back with more coverage of this breaking news in l.a. next.