from mr. trump, the constant deceptions from mr. trump, have erased the american immune system that we are so immune now to lies, to deceptions, that it doesn't bother us as much? >> i think there's -- thanks to that question. there's a particular level of immunity when it comes to things that people are hearing from the national media about national politics. where i think there is a real -- all the things we could say about polarization, cynicism, jadedness, bitterness, all those things would apply. i think in all the parts of life that are not about national politics, our observation was that the actual character that we would like to think of as american is still functioning so these in ap appalachia dealing with the opioids a cross the country a sense of downtowns being reconfigured, schools being experimented with. so i think there is this kind of