berate the head of germany in a nato meeting. i mean, it is just incredible. >> do you see in this what donald trump thinks is some kind of method and it's some kind of method he has used in his past business dealings? >> i think first and foremost trump is always an agent of chaos. he revels in being the person that disrupts the cocktail party or business deal or nato. he likes being a force of chaos. i think he does have a goal here, which he is interested in breaking up the eu and nato because he has these designs on trade agreements. we have already seen this mexico,