anything. 13 angry democrats working for him. i don't like political considerations to enter into this. >> really? really? welcome to the second hour of "kasie dc." michael steel, nbc news intelligence and national intelligence reporter ken dilanian and congressional reporter for "the washington post," paul kaine. we want to start with rudy giuliani, who surprise, surprise has resurfaced and is signaling it is unlikely that he would sit down with robert mueller. they would need to have evidence that president trump kmied a crime and that his testimony is essential to completing the investigation. giuliani clarified that comment