legal team and mueller's legal team, and it all comes down to whether the special counsel will or will not issue a subpoena for the president's grand jury testimony which would provoke a significant confrontation on litigation. that question we don't know the answer to, because we don't know how much mueller really needs this interview or whether it's just something he would like to have but at the end of the day is willing to proceed without. >> yeah. from a pr strategy, you point out that while this might help the president in the court of public opinion, you're also saying the more this drags on, the more the president loses his negotiating leverage. explain that. >> well, time is not on the president's side here in the sense that if you're the president of the united states and you have a major criminal investigation against you, you want to have it resolved. and the longer this drags on, the longer president trump goes