shipulating their exports to us cheaper than our imports to them. so people who have been involved in tradeable good business for years recognize that. the problem is and the two of you were just getting at that, these tariffs won't have that impact. these tariffs will hurt many more americans they are going to help. i feel great sympathy for the folks that were talking about the possibility that maybe this will help because at least as far as i and every other economist sees this down the road, this isn't the way to go about it. it is a misguided strategy. it will lead to higher prices, slower growth. and you say you are not sure. his ultimate goal is to reduce the trade deficit. i don't think it's going to do that either. >> let me talk about he said about montana. that's actually a very big mistake to make and they know they're wrong, but they keep doing it.