him. all of whom expressing a mix of a delight and, b, that this has all happened way later than any of them would have felt comfortable with it happening if it were up to chief of staff john kelly, someone like scott pruitt would have been thrown from the trump administration yesterday if not many, many days before. >> interesting points, because when scott -- john kelly sort of signalled to people off the record that before he leaves, and there is some talk that he'll be gone by the end of this month, he wanted to see scott pruitt gone. so this is an interesting development. but part of the problem, swin, you and i were talking about this on tv the other night, is that in the battle to drain the swamp, there are so many people who want to see the mission of the trump administration go forwards, but feel that this was the swamp. i just want to play quickly for you a senior -- i think it was a deputy chief of staff to scott pruitt who was on with scott hayes another night. let me just play for you what he said about him.