intense debate. much of the focus is on roe v. wade but other key cases like voting rights and campaign finance hang in the balance. harry lippmann joins me, as well as pete williams. pete, in gaming this, as you know better than anyone, all of these people have been vetted and cleared by the federalist society. we have to assume they're conservatives. but among conservatives, there are those who are more true believing on some things than others. so what are the objections to cavanaugh, for instance? >> well, i think they focus on two decisions that he joined, one in dissent when he said that a young woman who was arrested as an illegal immigrant and held in detention was not entitled to have the federal government help her get an abortion. he agreed with that, but his dissent by some opponents of abortion wasn't considered strong enough. so it wasn't his position.