reverend carlson said, "how long are we going to keep detaining families indefinitely." reverend carlson's interpretation of the christian symbolism of the holy family is that every family is holy. they were a homeless family with nowhere to stay, reverend carlson said about jesus, mary and joseph. he said, "i think our faith tells us where we need to be. we're turning away from the values that should be guiding us. the point of a religious icon is to move our hearts. if at first people are upset by it, that might just be god trying to move their hearts. i hope their hearts soften." after a break we'll discuss yet another federal judge's ruling against the trump administration on the southern border. this new ruling says the trump administration is violating its own policy. maria tracy kumar will join our discussion. i love you, basement guest bathroom.