center near austin, texas, spoke last night to rachel maddow. >> what do you imagine will happen at the end of the 30-day period? >> i'm sure the aclu will attempt to enforce the order in court. on the ground, what will happen is that the children and the parents will continue to suffer. i spoke with three mothers today separately, all of whom were completely distraught because they haven't seen their children in almost six weeks. their kids are calling them from the detention centers crying, saying they want to get reunited. 38 l there's a lot of suffering going on in the moment, it's hard to watch. >> joining me is the former acting director of immigration and customs enforcement, known as i.c.e. thanks for being with us again. could they have changed this policy even though they're denying they're changing the policy? the maddow team asked them and they said there's no new policy.