president, who was his self-described fixer, who is the one who knows figuratively where all the bodies are buried and has a potentially great deal about the president that people might be interested in. we've already seen the white house now and the president for the last couple of weeks really taking steps to try to distance themselves from michael cohen. it's a strategy that we've seen the president use repeatedly including with paul manafort, for instance, saying we did a little bit of my legal work. but you know this is something that the president is talking about. it was only a few weeks ago or a few months ago now where the president even tweeted about michael cohen. there was some talk about whether there was concern whether he might decide to flip on the president, decide to work with the fbi as it looks like he might be signaling that he is interested in doing, and you the president saying, no i don't think he's that kind of guy. i don't think it's going to happen. we'll see now if that happen. >> we didn't see in this interview with abc the bravado. it wasn't on camera. what we've heard is not that typical michael cohen bravado, not that typical michael cohen