i think he just decided after nearly 31 years, it was time to step down. >> let me, jonathan, let me ask you how his politics worked. it's implicit in what pete was saying. somehow he managed to be a libertarian on court. he's -- he has fought for the right to avoid any undue burden for a woman choosing abortion, for the essential liberty of this country when it came to sexual orientation and gender and sex, the whole thing. he seemed to understand that that it was wronging to have sod dommy laws. nobody had any hostility towards him. like scalia dumping on him, sometimes scalia did question him. he would say he was -- what's the right word? capricious. what do you make of how he was able to bib as a conservative without being the kind of conservative that mike pence