militarized zone. if you pass through without being detected, it is challenge to get out of the el paso area. all the roads have immigration checkpoints. the railroad is monitored. the airports, of course, you would never stand a chance on taking a plane. even efforts to walk through the desert, which would be very, very dangerous, especially in the kind of heat we're experiencing right now, is very difficult. so the understanding with i.c.e. is that when you -- i.c.e. is the one that determines -- well, rather, border patrol determines whether or not someone is going to be detained or not. if they don't have the capacity, don't have the room, they'll release them on recognizance, which we believe is what should be done. we are advocates for alternatives to detention. >> you're getting -- a lot of the people you're getting are parents who have been separated from their children.