here we have to bear witness to it, the only way we fix it is through members of congress and this administration. >> you can see -- i don't know if we can get a wide shot of it. this is the border. mexico is right there. as a former mayor of a city here in texas, just give people a sense of scale because the perception that we're getting out of the trump administration is that there is almost a barrage, a constant torrent of people flooding into the country. >> this other perception that he fans the flames is that somehow that these cities like el paso on the american side are runover with crime. el paso makes clear all the time is one of the safest big cities in the united states. it's got about 650,000 folks and it consistently ranks as one of the safest big cities and it butts up against the border, basically. >> can you tell us more about how people can contact the human rights organization that you're working with? >> i work with robert f. kennedy