understand understand alice. and she immediately was so receptive. >> i'm joined now by new york magazine washington correspondent olivia back with me eugene scott with the washington post, betsy woodruff with the daily beast. thank you all for being here. you obviously cover the personalities involved here at the white house. ivanka trump has also come under skr criticism. she has focused on family rights issues but she's come under fire for not speaking out at times more forcefully enough. in this instance she didn't oppose family separations until after her father had already reversed his policy. >> right. she seemed to kind of misrepresent the policy itself when she did tweet congratulating him or talking about how good it was that he signed the executive order. she took the white house line that it was sort of not the white house's fault that the policy was in place in the first place, which is, of course, not true. but as you said, her policies