prosecution. bringing children with you doesn't guarantee you want get prosecuted. >> the administration knew what the results of its policy would be. >> absolutely. the administration intended to do what they did and jeff sessions believed that the bible was supporting the decision, which is one of things he communicated. what he didn't intend was to have the type of reaction that he got even from some people among the base, specifically some white evangelicals and other conservatives who found this policy problematic and that's why we're seeing recei reversal. >> liz, thank you for being with us. i'm going to ask eugene and betsy to stick around because we do have more questions, including if the president has made this move, putting this in congress's court, what happens over on capitol hill. that immigration impasse has become a lot trickier. is he throwing in a towel on a fix? we're head to the hill next live.