larger shareholders, if you want to check your 401k. block lock and van guard, and granted, they may own them as part of an index. i want to bring my panel back in. tim, brendan. help me understand this. private prisons. they donate to campaigns. they specifically gave a ton of money to the trump campaign. and this seems to be -- by the way, they run as a 501 c-3, a nonprofit. how's this work? >> remember, this goes back to the mid-'90s. it collides with this issue of mass incarceration in the united states and lack of facilities to house not just migration detainees but prisoners. people who went into the general prison population. clinton decided to privatize some of this simply to deal with this volume of people coming into the system. privatization created this great