haake spoke to one in colorado who represents -- he's been a voice on the immigration issue. i haven't had a chance yet to follow up. i didn't catch up with him leaving the meeting. none of my sources said that he was confronted directly on this issue. in fact, typically these meetings, the president likes it when members stick around and take selfies with him. >> from the photographs it looks like smiles and back slaps and standing ovations. general balderas, i want to ask you a question and present the case the administration makes and a lot of conservatives will make too. which is that it's heartbreaking to look at these pictures, but the fact of the matter is many of them are breaking the law and there has to be some punishment for breaking the law. and they believe this is a tough deterrent. we had an interview with one of our reporters with a young mother and her child waiting on the other side of the border and considering whether or not it was worth it to cross into united states because she may be separated from her child. the trump administration would say, see, that's what we mean, we're deterring people from