at this point. >> joyce, isn't this going to backfire somewhat if that is stone's strategy? all this does is help to further the concept that the trump administration or the campaign was looking for dirt, was meeting with anybody who could bring somebody on hillary clinton, who then potentially might twist the conversation to i don't know russian baby adoptions or whatever they're going to say it was. >> i think you're exactly right. this looks like a very damaging piece of evidence that mueller has had for some time. of course, we see with the mueller investigation only the tip of the iceberg. we don't know everything that they're looking at. it looks here like they have a piece of evidence that could be very significant, certainly for proving russian efforts to influence the campaign, and possibly for collusion, even though stone says we rejected this advance, nothing came of it, it's part of an ongoing litany of events where the campaign took these meetings d