and it took a long time for an old dog to learn new tricks here. this is the way he's been doing it forever. after the piece posted i talked to people who've worked with trump at various times in his career who said they -- you know, they remember him ripping, shredding paper. so the message didn't sink in. so they just cleaned up after him to make sure that he doesn't violate the law. because they were scared. his aides were scared that he would. maybe that message has sunk in over the course of 1 1/2 years now that he's been in office. and he could be, you know, changing his habits now. but at the beginning of the administration it was just -- the volume was enough for the whole department to be working on this. >> so it could be that he's getting better. it could be conceivably that they're not cleaning up as much after him. >> i mean, i don't know. maybe that will be one of the letters we find when this all becomes history and we get more insight into what is going on. >> this is so insane.