dissuade people in the situations they are fleeing from to come here. >> think about this core argument. the argument is if we inflict trauma on children and other families will not seek to come to the united states. are we really saying and the administration is saying they are inflicting t ining trauma o children to in there's no moral code that shows to be destructive to children to influence adults. there's no religious code that supports that type of construction. abusing children today to inflict some other group of adults in world. >> you're making a profound moral point. for all the talk people are using their children to set up shop here, what you're articulating is moral for the u.s. government trying to turn those children into pawns or