a look of scheming or has anybody cracked that facade, is it a facade -- >> is p actually loyal? >> i think he is because he knows he has to be, right? if he does anything to upset the president, and i interviewed more than 200 people, and he kept saying, we will do it, and then there was a last-minute pullout, and if you make us look good trump will be furious, and if you make us look bad, it's bad to us. they did not talk to michael wolff for his book, and they are very smart. nick arias, his chief of staff is going to run for office. >> yeah, that seems spot on. >> i want to ask you because you