bears reminding viewers, that this is a guy who not only guided new york through 9/11 in an admirable, pretty remarkable way. but also as i wrote in one of my columns, a column that rudy giuliani attacked, called me stupid and reminded me much like humiliation, i had never been knighted by the queen of england, said one of the great policy achievements, one of the great governing achievements of the 20th century was the turn-around of new york city by giuliani and bill bratton. he's not even a shadow of himself now. >> yeah, he's not. and, the thing we have to remember is that he's doing this with the explicit or at least tacit endorsement of president trump. president trump could stop this any time. he could call rudy giuliani and say knock it off. he could pull him off tv. he could say rudy giuliani doesn't speak for me any more.