that's rudy giuliani going out and pushing the president's conspiracy theories, pushing his line that this is a witch hunt, that none of these agencies can be trusted that there's no there there, appearing at a conference in israel. then you have emmet flood according to people in the west wing behind the scenes is doing -- i don't have a ton of details, but what he should be doing, you know. he's preparing for if the president actually does end up having to testify, he is getting things ready. he is sort of -- he is being a traditional professional lawyer who is as much concerned with protecting the presidency, capital p, at large than he is with this president. and there is even some sort of rumor he may be someone who is in line to become the next white house counsel if and when the current one don mcgahn leaves. >> that doesn't sound like much of a prize these days. let me ask you, and i want to hear your thoughts on this, too,