>> if i can take the green sprouts analogy. it's a little like watching grass grow. we're seeing it building but still nowhere near enough protest. behind the scenes, in private yes my republican colleagues are saying how can he even be talking about pardoning himself? he must no legally there's no basis. that issue was settled in 1974 under richard nixon when the department of justice told nixon you cannot pardon yourself but still as we observed at the beginning. giuliani is talking about him having that power. about framing and victimizing of the president. none of it has any basis in fact. it's alternative reality that only his base really believes but my republican colleagues