united states. joining us live, activist aleeta garcia, and nicholas christoff. trump immigration policy veers to evil >> in your column, you cite a series of horror stories. for most parents the horror stories of being separated from their children involuntarily would be the start of this thing. this is really kind of gross, as a nation. >> i mean, absolutely. that's why the u.n. high commissioner weighed in. everybody knows immigration is hard. there are difficult tradeoffs. everybody else has managedadffs this administration is doing. and jeff sessions was disingenuous when he said people break the law, when they break the law, this is what happens. in some casese committed a misdeern, but even