co-opportunity jeff sessions, to fire andrew mccabe. he's done numerous things beyond that interview if they wanted to look beyond that interview that suggests that he has been trying to obstruct justice with regard to the investigation into russia's meddling in o election. >> this is all about the public perception. >> right. >> and let's remember, he makes the statement in may. what happened before this? general flynn? he makes a phone call and then he lies about it and then he's fired. we have a meeting in trump tower. the president, you know, started the first block on the show today, and what does he try to do? he tries to change the narrative, do the russians have dirt and is it about the magnitsky act and it's about child adoptions from russia. no, it wasn't. that pattern when combined with the president's own statements is a damning pattern and he's gone after every single person and it's a pattern of obstruction and it's the most damning. >> go ahead, chris.