is in this country. that number is so fathers as is. >> the unemployment number is fiction. >> this fiction phoney number is what he is selling today. doesn't he have to retract that to be taken seriously by anyone? >> what he was referring to is there's a number of different ways to slice that. there's a u-1 number, 3.8%, the u-6 is still in the high 7%. what he was referring to at the peak of the crisis -- >> he is saying the numbers are phoney. >> so if i was -- he could rectify that by saying listen --