security reporter for nbc news, who helped break this whole story. betsy woodruff with us. ken, do you ever vacation in the seychelles, first of all? >> i would love to someday but haven't yet. >> maybe you can do some reporting and add on a couple days on the end. i don't think you need to be as great an expert reporter as you are in this to kind of question the explanation, but lay it all out for us. >> yeah. as you said, gerson's spokesperson is saying that he was there on vacation. he was not even aware of this secret meeting that george nader, the lebanese-american businessman that was there was telling mueller was actually a back channel. but he was also -- mr. gerson was at a separate meeting at the four seasons in new york, which was attended by steve bannon, michael flynn, as well as nader and some of the other characters. the bottom line for those trying to follow this at home is mueller appears to be investigating whether the united arab emirates essentially piggybacked on the russian