in this respect. what trump is showing is that you just -- if you are shameless enough and you just stay at it, political, legal, and media problems can just be staved off. >> if you repeat your message often enough to a friendly outlet, the truth starts to dissipate. i'll tell you something about the pens. $1300 pens. you might think what a waste of taxpayer money. what pruitt can use them for ably is to hand them to his friends like the lobbyist whose wife rented him the apartment, his firm needed to update their disclosure firms. in fact, he had lobbies the epa. take that pen and write that down. or the # staffer who pruitt arguably ought to pay for working on government time your taxpayer dollars and mine to help him with real estate. three senators have asked account inspector general to look into that. pens are more practical than you might think. >> yes, he should hand it to steven hart. this came out today, steven hart