republicans who said they won't confirm anyone else. could that first thing be an obstruction problem? >> yes, the legal term is obstruction of justice. the president is trying to get sessions to unrecuse himself. first of all, is that a word? unrecuse. second of all, the reason that he wants sessions to take over the russian investigation is because sessions has taken the loyalty pledge, and that's the kind of person who trump thinks should be supervising a criminal investigation of him. so we talk about norms. norms don't work for this president. norms suggest that you shouldn't call for personal prosecution or investigation, which trump has done of many people and sometimes the justice department responds. and so, one concern is that when norms are eroded. there's a slippery slope. so sometimes we see the justice department actually responding to the president's unethical demands. >> yeah. so there's -- some people are trying to give donald trump an