well, we know from what jonathan has reported that trump has said that jeff sessions would be a hero if he sort of unrecused himself from the russia investigation. it doesn't take too much dot-connecting to figure out what trump wants here is for jeff sessions to take back control of the russia investigation in order to tamp down the russia investigation. that is certainly helpful to trying to prove obstruction. >> hey, jonathan, i have something i twoont play for you. this happened during nicolle wallace's broadcast today. the fbi veteran frank figliuzzi was talking about the net effect and the takeaway from today's pardon talk. we'll watch it together. we'll talk about it on the other side. >> we have an almost masterful strategy being executed by the president. he is picking out the crimes and the people and the prosecutors and saying, you have no power over me. we're talking about pat fitzgerald, who was the special counsel in the scooter libby/valerie plame case. he prosecuted blagojevich when