unfairly posture an entire investigation in a discredited way, because you're attacking the entire system. so much for law and order. we would rather have chaos and disorder. because that's the only way i think he sees he can get out of this. he's in a corner. >> lynn, go ahead. >> i want to point out some other facts here. i know you're talking of this in a mega situation. but let's look at the specifics and why having rod blagojevich campaign to get some kind of clemency from president trump. and it's been waged by his wife. and just getting it in front of the president which she has been able to do, we can talk about how i think she did it. here's something to remind everyone and you, he is not gone unpunished. he's gotten a 14-year sentence. a lot of people, myself included, think that was a very heavy sentence for the crimes committed. he's been imprisoned in colorado since 2011.