know, we don't need kind of to keep raising the bar. we already know enough to know that this president should be removed from office expeditiously. >> jennifer, what do youny about the latest from the giuliani folks will he or won't he sit down for mueller to michelle's point that there's sort of obviously whipping up a kind of predicate, pretext to not do the interview. giuliani says he won't sit for the interview now unless he gets to review the documents that are associated with the active investigation into him. is that a reasonable request? >> it's not a reasonable request. but i don't even believe if he saw the documents he would sit for the interview. all of this back and forth is just a way to pitch to the base that this is unfair, i don't think he's ever sitting for this interview. seeing the documents or not ng the documents doesn't have anything to do with it. you know, i think we're not going to see that interview no matter what happens with the document. >> so what do you think he's