as i said months ago, during a -- when we run a campaign, you have to deal with perception. perception of the fbi at the time was, a solid institution to the trusted. you can't go head-long into has perception. what you can do over time is change the perception, just little bits at a time. that's what they've done. it's just like a campaign. the target except is not a candidate. >> running against robert mueller and the justice department. >> and they're winning. changing perception, at least amongst his base, believing that the fbi is somehow corrupt. interesting, because this whole investigation is was about russia's interference into an election donald trump participated in. he could have handled that completely different. i want to get to the bottom of it, instead took it personally as he always does. >> right. so i feel like there are nuances here among members of congress on this question. clearly a cadre that the freedom caucus and others that we talk