we would have seen republicans emerge and say, aha, the president was onto something. but we saw absolute crickets after those meetings and that should tell us that the president here is yet again lying about what's going on. that's the danger. >> he's lying. and joyce is right, mike. they would have shown up on sean hannity. they would have been booked in packs of three, shoulder to shoulder shots from the capital saying, aha, we got it, the smoking gun. >> very troubling. >> there is nothing. >> there is nothing. the whole thing was a card trick and a bad one. the reason the president won't defend the national interest or the idea the russians were undermining our democracy is he thinks his interest is the national interest. he is that i believe self-obsessed. if it's good for him it's good for america. if it's attacking him, it's attacking american. he cannot see foreign enemies, he only sees trump enemies. he is the first president in modern history and i'll include nixon in this or clinton, who is immune from shame. shame used to be the weapon that could hold the top in line.