a narrative about this informant that at least our reporting doesn't back up. this informant was not someone inside the campaign. it was someone that talked to two of these campaign officials who had contacts with russians to find out whether they were, you know, these conversations had happened to corroborate them. as someone pointed out to me, it would have been more aggressive for the fbi to go and knock on the doors of some of these folks with badges and sit them down for interviews and something that could come out publicly and could have damaged the campaign at the time. but the fbi took the more sort of quiet more secretive route and ran this informant up against these folks. >> joyce, tell me about this because when criminals are or rather suspected criminals defendants go into a trial, they'll come up with anything to get the jury to think of some other possibility to get reasonable doubt. i understand that. this is the president of the united states. his way of creating reasonable doubt among his people, an the