but i'm sure people you talk to are telling you the same thing they're telling me, which is if this -- if there was a real huge counterintelligence problem in -- with jared kushner in mueller's shop, that that would make it harder to get clearances, too. so that coupled with the news that the lawyer for jared kushner said today that he's now -- that kushner's now met twice with the office of special counsel for several hours and given interviews and is in full cooperation. again, if you're in team kushner, this is a good news day for you. >> matt, stick with us for a moment. kim, does this mean that whatever mueller had been looking into with jared kushner is not a big deal? i mean by him getting this sort of security clearance, does that mean that he's got a kind of -- maybe a clean bill from mueller? >> i think that's probably a stretch. i agree that this is very good news for him and it is interesting that we have an fbi that passed -- gave him the background check in this