doing at the justice department, what's your recourse? >> if the congress doesn't act? >> mm-hmm. >> well, i don't think there's much of any recourse, except we have to hope that the mueller investigation is protected, and that ultimately there's an accounting through the law enforcement process, but as you could tell, the president is getting closer and closer to trying to shut that down. >> so you're basically saying, because we were having this debate in our meeting today. i'm guessing the founders never intended for the legislative branch to step aside when it comes to some of these issues. that they would just sort of let the executive branch do these things without challenging it. i guess they department have a plan "b" for a situation like this, because what you're saying is, does this mean what the president is doing is constitutional, because the legislative branch isn't challenging it? >> well, the legislative branch could ultimately deal with this issue through an impeachment process. the founders thought they could do that and do that with respect to obstruction and other allegations. beyond that, if you didn't have the president in league with his