and if newtown, the loss of your daughter's voice and your voice and emma's voice, if things haven't changed, if none of these things change any of the laws, what shakes the debate up? >> let me give you a quick answer because it's not shaking it on a national level. we have irresponsible pathetic leaders who are letting it be that way. but it is changing on local levels. laws are changing in cities, in states every day right now. and what's happening, the nra is suing all of those states and cities for doing it. so, here's what i say we should do. every city, every state should go pass gun safety legislation now. force the nra to file a lawsuit all over this country against everybody. they don't care about our safety. every city, every community, every state ought to continue doing what they are doing because as long as washington won't act, we'll get the localities to act. we can get something done eventually washington will act and react as well.