person normally. so why do this? why do it for free? what motivated him? that's the big overhanging question. and if not what, who motivated him? >> also a question of intent. i bring in saul wisenberg, one of the only people alive who's questioned a president in a grand jury proceeding. i appreciate your patience. dealer's choice, your view on all of this? >> well, one thing to really look at when you're dealing with the mueller investigation, is to look at the plea agreements and to look at the language of the plea agreements. one thing that is striking about the language of the plea agreements and the associated documents is, it doesn't look like, and hasn't looked like for a long time, like he has a case on criminal collusion. you know, conspiracy to violate any of the offenses that have to do with the campaign activity. we see that in the flynn plea